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Clarine and Dorothy

Named after Clarine, an Eturian noblewoman and Troubadour, and Dorothy, an Eturian commoner and Archer. Their support was based around the normally snobbish and haughty Clarine taking a shine on the homely and passive Dorothy, and trying to make her more lady-like, the two bonding and becoming fast friends through it, although with only modest success in Clarine's original goal. Since then, there have been several instances of a haughty or stand-offish girl taking a more timid and shy partner under their wing, almost always to overcome their timidity, and sometimes to improve their appearance. This is usually a humanizing element in the telling of their character, and is usually a fast indicator of their kinder side, whereas in other supports, it may take until the second or even the third and final support that their kindness finally shines through. In the archetype, the Clarine is usually immediately seen to be a kinder person because of how she immediately dotes upon the Dorothy. Usually the Clarine is of noble blood, or at least of the upper class, while the Dorothy is a commoner.
Notable Clarine and Dorothy pairs (in that order) are:
In the FE7 example, it's the Dorothy (Florina) who approaches the Clarine (Serra), whereas it's usually the other way around.

The last one is more arguable; Lissa does not fit any of the requirements to be the Dorothy, except for allowing Maribelle to be the Clarine. It still fits in that their friendship is an immediate sign of Maribelle's better, kinder nature.

Date: 2013-02-10 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosage
Eee, I love this. :D I like the note that it's Florina who approaches Serra rather than the other way around. She's so brave. <3

I'm trying to think if there's an FE8 example, but while L'arachel's clearly the Clarine here she doesn't approach a Dorothy-type. I guess L'arachel/Eirika would be the closest thing in a special-case way like you put Maribelle/Lissa as, since L'arachel is kinder and more complimentary toward Eirika, and while Eirika is royal and not timid she does have a more down-to-earth approach that at least contrasts with L'arachel.

Now I'm wishing Yumina did something like this, aha. (I haven't played fe12 but I haven't heard of something like this happening?)

Date: 2013-02-10 06:13 pm (UTC)
mark_asphodel: Sage King Leaf (Default)
From: [personal profile] mark_asphodel
Yumina's not interested in supporting anyone other than her twin brother. There's not really another "Yumina" anywhere else in the series that I've seen.

Date: 2013-02-10 08:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosage
Thanks for the info.

Date: 2013-02-10 06:04 pm (UTC)
mark_asphodel: Sage King Leaf (Default)
From: [personal profile] mark_asphodel
Hello. Got here through tumblr.

I'd argue that Clarine owes a lot to the FE4 ladies, though. Lachesis might not be a Troubadour (though her daughter is!) but Clarine's whole "my brother" act was pretty clearly inspired by Lachesis to the point where setting her up as a new archetype doesn't really work to me. Especially as the Clarine/Dorothy dynamic isn't really thereafter.

Date: 2013-02-11 01:51 am (UTC)
mark_asphodel: Sage King Leaf (Default)
From: [personal profile] mark_asphodel
Of the Archetypes included on the page

I think that page is full of crap, to be honest. It looks like it's derived from General Banzai's archetype list, and well... I object to his list in general. I mean, there are definitely archetypes-- I was just lamenting the lack of a Lorenz figure in FE13 over on my own journal-- but attempting to slam every character into a peg hole leads to an ill-defined mess, IMO.

Hell, even the big archetypes that everyone commonly cites don't quite map. Quick, who's the Jeigan in FE5? You have three possible answers and someone is likely to jump down your throat for each of them. Not to mention there are definitions of "The Cain and Abel" floating around that, ah, don't reflect back to the original Cain and Abel very well.

IDK. After a certain point it seems like stripping down fleshed-out characters into skeletons... and sometimes the bones aren't even theirs.

Date: 2013-04-11 06:05 am (UTC)
amielleon: The three heroes of Tellius. (Default)
From: [personal profile] amielleon
Severa and Kjelle have the appearance and lady-like-ness down.


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